OT: (See: OFF TOPIC): The next time you wingnuts rely on Fox News

[Alan Baker]

'Tucker Carlson said on Fox that more children die of bathtub drownings
than of accidental shootings. They don't.

Steve Doocy said on Fox that NASA scientists faked data to make the
case for global warming. They didn't.

Rudy Giuliani said on Fox that President Obama has issued propaganda
asking everybody to "hate the police." He hasn't.

John Stossel said on Fox that there is "no good data" proving
secondhand cigarette smoke kills nonsmokers. There is.

So maybe you can see why serious people — a category excluding those
who rely upon it for news and information — do not take Fox, well ...
seriously, why they dub it Pox News and Fakes News, to name two of the
printable variations. Fox is, after all, the network of death panels,
terrorist fist jabs, birtherism, anchor babies, victory mosques, wars
on Christmas and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. It's not just that it is
the chief global distributor of unfact and untruth but that it
distributes unfact and untruth with a bluster, an arrogance, a
gonad-grabbing swagger, that implicitly and intentionally dares you to
believe fact and truth matter.'

<http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/2093289-155/pitts-why-serious-people-discount-fox>


'There was Fox, doing what Fox does, in this case hosting one Steve
Emerson, a supposed expert on Islamic extremist terrorism, who spoke
about so-called "no go" zones in Europe — i.e., areas of Germany,
Sweden, France and Great Britain — where non-Muslims are banned, the
government has no control and sharia law is in effect. Naturally, Fox
did not question this outrageous assertion — in fact, it repeated it
throughout the week — and most of us, long ago benumbed by the
network's serial mendacities, did not challenge Fox.
Then, there erupted from Europe the jarring sound of a continent
laughing. British Prime Minister David Cameron called Emerson an
"idiot." A French program in the mold of "The Daily Show" sent
correspondents — in helmets! — to interview people peaceably sipping
coffee in the no-go zones. Twitter went medieval on Fox's backside. And
the mayor of Paris threatened to sue.

Last week, Fox did something Fox almost never does. It apologized.
Indeed, it apologized profusely, multiple times, on air.

The most important takeaway here is not the admittedly startling news
that Fox, contrary to all indications, is capable of shame. Rather, it
is what the European response tells us about ourselves and our waning
capacity for moral indignation with this sort of garbage.'

[MNMikeW]

Alan Baker wrote:

Says the fucktard that relies on MSNBC, MotherJones, MediaMatters, ect,
ect, ect.

[Alan Baker]

I don't "rely" on anything, Mike. I double-check my facts...

...and don't have to resort to juvenile insults.

:-)

[MNMikeW]

Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2015-01-27 22:32:06 +0000, MNMikeW said:
>
>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>> Says the fucktard that relies on MSNBC, MotherJones, MediaMatters,
>> ect, ect, ect.
>
> I don't "rely" on anything, Mike. I double-check my facts...
>
>

Sure you do fucktard, sure you do.

[Alan Baker]

On 2015-01-27 23:04:10 +0000, MNMikeW said:

> Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2015-01-27 22:32:06 +0000, MNMikeW said:
>>
>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>
>>> Says the fucktard that relies on MSNBC, MotherJones, MediaMatters,
>>> ect, ect, ect.
>>
>> I don't "rely" on anything, Mike. I double-check my facts...
>>
>>
> Sure you do fucktard, sure you do.

More than you... ...that's for certain.

:-)

[Nashton]

On 2015-01-27 7:04 PM, MNMikeW wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2015-01-27 22:32:06 +0000, MNMikeW said:
>>
>>> Alan Baker wrote:
>>>
>>> Says the fucktard that relies on MSNBC, MotherJones, MediaMatters,
>>> ect, ect, ect.
>>
>> I don't "rely" on anything, Mike. I double-check my facts...

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

[Moderate]

Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:

> 'Tucker Carlson said on Fox that more children die of bathtub drownings
> than of accidental shootings. They don't.
>
> Steve Doocy said on Fox that NASA scientists faked data to make the
> case for global warming. They didn't.
>
> Rudy Giuliani said on Fox that President Obama has issued propaganda
> asking everybody to "hate the police." He hasn't.
>
> John Stossel said on Fox that there is "no good data" proving
> secondhand cigarette smoke kills nonsmokers. There is.
>

> So maybe you can see why serious people ? a category excluding those
> who rely upon it for news and information ? do not take Fox, well ...

> seriously, why they dub it Pox News and Fakes News, to name two of the
> printable variations. Fox is, after all, the network of death panels,
> terrorist fist jabs, birtherism, anchor babies, victory mosques, wars
> on Christmas and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. It's not just that it is
> the chief global distributor of unfact and untruth but that it
> distributes unfact and untruth with a bluster, an arrogance, a
> gonad-grabbing swagger, that implicitly and intentionally dares you to
> believe fact and truth matter.'
>
> <http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/2093289-155/pitts-why-serious-people-discount-fox>
>
>
> 'There was Fox, doing what Fox does, in this case hosting one Steve
> Emerson, a supposed expert on Islamic extremist terrorism, who spoke

> about so-called "no go" zones in Europe ? i.e., areas of Germany,
> Sweden, France and Great Britain ? where non-Muslims are banned, the

> government has no control and sharia law is in effect. Naturally, Fox

> did not question this outrageous assertion ? in fact, it repeated it
> throughout the week ? and most of us, long ago benumbed by the

> network's serial mendacities, did not challenge Fox.
> Then, there erupted from Europe the jarring sound of a continent
> laughing. British Prime Minister David Cameron called Emerson an
> "idiot." A French program in the mold of "The Daily Show" sent

> correspondents ? in helmets! ? to interview people peaceably sipping

> coffee in the no-go zones. Twitter went medieval on Fox's backside. And
> the mayor of Paris threatened to sue.
>
> Last week, Fox did something Fox almost never does. It apologized.
> Indeed, it apologized profusely, multiple times, on air.
>
> The most important takeaway here is not the admittedly startling news
> that Fox, contrary to all indications, is capable of shame. Rather, it
> is what the European response tells us about ourselves and our waning
> capacity for moral indignation with this sort of garbage.'
>
>

Obama said we could keep our insurance. He said he would lower
healthcare costs by $2,500 per family. He promised
transparency...
--

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:30:55 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote:

And? The BS about that being false was shown last year.
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/

>He said he would lower healthcare costs by $2,500 per family.

Getting closer, or haven't you been reading anything but FOX news?
Confirmed enrollees..... 9,702,368 as of 1/28/15
http://acasignups.net/

>He promised transparency...
Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.

The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.

[MNMikeW]

What exactly does sign ups have to do with cost? Obamacare has NOT
lowered costs one bit.

>
>> He promised transparency...
> Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.

Even the majority of the lib media says this is the least transparent
administration ever.

>
> The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
> hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.

What lies would these be?

[BobbyK]

Of course numbers have to do with costs. The more insured, the
average costs change.

>>
>>> He promised transparency...
>> Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.
>
>Even the majority of the lib media says this is the least transparent
>administration ever.

And you have that figure available?

>>
>> The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
>> hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.
>
>What lies would these be?

Read the OP of this thread. I know that you don't like him but he
posted facts.

[MNMikeW]

So it appears the more insured, the more it costs. CBO just upped the
cost for 10 years to almost 2 trillion. About double what they said it
would cost. Another Obama lie.

>>>
>>>> He promised transparency...
>>> Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.
>>
>> Even the majority of the lib media says this is the least transparent
>> administration ever.
>
> And you have that figure available?

Some examples from these far-right outlets.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73606.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/obama-press-freedom-cpj_n_4073037.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-obama-administrations-abject-failure-on-transparency/252387/

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/3/27/barack_obama_the_least_transparent_president

>>>
>>> The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
>>> hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.
>>
>> What lies would these be?
>
> Read the OP of this thread. I know that you don't like him but he
> posted facts.

Fucktard posted some liberal opinion article (as usual).

[BobbyK]

Crickets on this one.

>>>>
>>>>> He said he would lower healthcare costs by $2,500 per family.
>>>> Getting closer, or haven't you been reading anything but FOX news?
>>>> Confirmed enrollees..... 9,702,368 as of 1/28/15
>>>> http://acasignups.net/
>>>
>>> What exactly does sign ups have to do with cost? Obamacare has NOT
>>> lowered costs one bit.
>>
>> Of course numbers have to do with costs. The more insured, the
>> average costs change.
>
>So it appears the more insured, the more it costs. CBO just upped the
>cost for 10 years to almost 2 trillion. About double what they said it
>would cost. Another Obama lie.

You throw the word "lie" out as if it was a definite. Haters hate.

Again, campaign hopes and promises aren't lies. Otherwise every
President and politician we've ever had are liars.

>
>>>>
>>>>> He promised transparency...
>>>> Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.
>>>
>>> Even the majority of the lib media says this is the least transparent
>>> administration ever.
>>
>> And you have that figure available?
>Some examples from these far-right outlets.
>
>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73606.html
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/obama-press-freedom-cpj_n_4073037.html
>
>http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-obama-administrations-abject-failure-on-transparency/252387/
>
>http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/3/27/barack_obama_the_least_transparent_president
>

Can't deny that those.

>>>>
>>>> The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
>>>> hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.
>>>
>>> What lies would these be?
>>
>> Read the OP of this thread. I know that you don't like him but he
>> posted facts.
>
>Fucktard posted some liberal opinion article (as usual).

And you generally post ultra conservative articles. However, Fox id
apologize for some of their "errors".

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:


>>>>>
>>>>>> He said he would lower healthcare costs by $2,500 per family.
>>>>> Getting closer, or haven't you been reading anything but FOX news?
>>>>> Confirmed enrollees..... 9,702,368 as of 1/28/15
>>>>> http://acasignups.net/
>>>>
>>>> What exactly does sign ups have to do with cost? Obamacare has NOT
>>>> lowered costs one bit.
>>>
>>> Of course numbers have to do with costs. The more insured, the
>>> average costs change.
>>
>> So it appears the more insured, the more it costs. CBO just upped the
>> cost for 10 years to almost 2 trillion. About double what they said it
>> would cost. Another Obama lie.
>
> You throw the word "lie" out as if it was a definite. Haters hate.
>
> Again, campaign hopes and promises aren't lies. Otherwise every
> President and politician we've ever had are liars.

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. L I E of the year.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:51:06 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

>BobbyK wrote:

>> You throw the word "lie" out as if it was a definite. Haters hate.
>>
>> Again, campaign hopes and promises aren't lies. Otherwise every
>> President and politician we've ever had are liars.
>
>If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. L I E of the year.

You didn't read the links I provided. Here's a quote from
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/
And this was last year.

Critics of the law now say millions lost their health insurance. But
that’s misleading. Those individual market plans were discontinued,
but policyholders weren’t denied coverage. And the question is, how
many millions of insured Americans had plans canceled, and how does
that compare with the millions of uninsured Americans who gained
coverage under the law.
There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
policies canceled".

[MNMikeW]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

[MNMikeW]

And another thing. The cancellations are far from over.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/ten_times_more_americans_than_first_estimated_will_lose_employerbased_health_insurance_under_obamacare_cbo.html

[BobbyK]

Look at the date.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:10:05 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>And another thing. The cancellations are far from over.
>
>http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/ten_times_more_americans_than_first_estimated_will_lose_employerbased_health_insurance_under_obamacare_cbo.html
>

You have to be kidding. Do you actually read and believe shit rags
like this? Check this below.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Thinker

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:

>>>
>>> You didn't read the links I provided. Here's a quote from
>>> http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/
>>> And this was last year.
>>>
>>> Critics of the law now say millions lost their health insurance. But
>>> that’s misleading. Those individual market plans were discontinued,
>>> but policyholders weren’t denied coverage. And the question is, how
>>> many millions of insured Americans had plans canceled, and how does
>>> that compare with the millions of uninsured Americans who gained
>>> coverage under the law.
>>> There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
>>> policies canceled".
>>
>> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
>
> Look at the date.

I know the date, what does that have to do with anything?

[MNMikeW]

The link to the the CBO report is in there had you bothered to look. And
yet, your pal Baker posted a link to a shit rag and you claimed it as
fact, LOL!!!!!!!!

[BobbyK]

That you would even ask that says it needs no response.

[BobbyK]

It was a FACT that Fox apologized for it's "errors". Period.
It's a FACT that you use a shit rag for your purposes. Have you ever
seen a quote from me out of the Daily KOZ, MSNBC, or even Huffington?
Nope, but the far right wants to believe the crap that sites like the
American Thinker puts out whether it's true or not. Haters hate.

[MNMikeW]

You rarely ever post links to back up your claims, just whine and
complain. You need to look in the mirror when you make your haters hate
quip.

[BobbyK]

No I don't. There's no hatred here. I didn't like our last
president's politics but know that he's a good person, just inept. The
vitriol that you post about Obama represents more than political
dislike.

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:

>>
>> You rarely ever post links to back up your claims, just whine and
>> complain. You need to look in the mirror when you make your haters
>> hate quip.
> No I don't. There's no hatred here. I didn't like our last
> president's politics but know that he's a good person, just inept.
> The vitriol that you post about Obama represents more than political
> dislike.

Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol". Obama is certainly
as inept as Bush was.

[Don Kirkman]

"They" = "Obama"? Or are you saying CBO = Obama?

>>>>> He promised transparency...
>>>> Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.
>>>
>>> Even the majority of the lib media says this is the least transparent
>>> administration ever.
>>
>> And you have that figure available?
>Some examples from these far-right outlets.
>
>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73606.html
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/obama-press-freedom-cpj_n_4073037.html
>
>http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-obama-administrations-abject-failure-on-transparency/252387/
>
>http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/3/27/barack_obama_the_least_transparent_president
>
>
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
>>>> hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.
>>>
>>> What lies would these be?
>>
>> Read the OP of this thread. I know that you don't like him but he
>> posted facts.
>
>Fucktard posted some liberal opinion article (as usual).

--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

[Don Kirkman]

Are you trying to refute a 2014 fastcheck.org
article with a 2013 politifact.com article?
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

[BobbyK]

I can't quote them, but you've said some very angry and personal
things relating to his person.

> Obama is certainly as inept as Bush was.

Not even close, and if you had an open mind that would never have been
said. I had Bush as a governor and a President and have met the man.
IMO he's flaky, unpolished and doesn't speak well. Obama is none of
those. You just don't like the man.

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:12:18 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> BobbyK wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> You rarely ever post links to back up your claims, just whine and
>>>> complain. You need to look in the mirror when you make your haters
>>>> hate quip.
>>> No I don't. There's no hatred here. I didn't like our last
>>> president's politics but know that he's a good person, just inept.
>>> The vitriol that you post about Obama represents more than political
>>> dislike.
>>
>> Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol".
>
> I can't quote them, but you've said some very angry and personal
> things relating to his person.

And yet, you can't quote them.

>
>> Obama is certainly as inept as Bush was.
>
> Not even close, and if you had an open mind that would never have been
> said. I had Bush as a governor and a President and have met the man.
> IMO he's flaky, unpolished and doesn't speak well. Obama is none of
> those. You just don't like the man.

Obama is a better speaker and that is about it. You certainly don't have
an open mind about Obama.

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

You would be better served not to say anything than make unrelated
arguments.

Obama's lie of the year was not a campaign promise. Neither was
the $2500 savings.

Your arbitrary opinion that some lies don't matter is reflective
of your posts.

[Moderate]

Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net> Wrote in message:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:05:52 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>BobbyK wrote:

>>>
>>> You didn't read the links I provided. Here's a quote from
>>> http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/
>>> And this was last year.
>>>
>>> Critics of the law now say millions lost their health insurance. But

>>> that?s misleading. Those individual market plans were discontinued,
>>> but policyholders weren?t denied coverage. And the question is, how

>>> many millions of insured Americans had plans canceled, and how does
>>> that compare with the millions of uninsured Americans who gained
>>> coverage under the law.
>>> There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
>>> policies canceled".
>>
>>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
>
> Are you trying to refute a 2014 fastcheck.org
> article with a 2013 politifact.com article?

Fact check is massaging the truth. The plans were cancelled,
because they were not allowed under the new law.

We now know this was the intent of the law. Well those of us who
are paying attention and have been following Gruber know
this.

Ergo, people were not allowed the keep their insurance plans. The
President lied.

Fact check is not an unbiased source. This type of grey logic is
common in their reporting.

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

BK is suspect of anything to do with thinking.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:53:00 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

>BobbyK wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:12:18 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BobbyK wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You rarely ever post links to back up your claims, just whine and
>>>>> complain. You need to look in the mirror when you make your haters
>>>>> hate quip.
>>>> No I don't. There's no hatred here. I didn't like our last
>>>> president's politics but know that he's a good person, just inept.
>>>> The vitriol that you post about Obama represents more than political
>>>> dislike.
>>>
>>> Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol".
>>
>> I can't quote them, but you've said some very angry and personal
>> things relating to his person.
>
>And yet, you can't quote them.

No I can't.

>>
>>> Obama is certainly as inept as Bush was.
>>
>> Not even close, and if you had an open mind that would never have been
>> said. I had Bush as a governor and a President and have met the man.
>> IMO he's flaky, unpolished and doesn't speak well. Obama is none of
>> those. You just don't like the man.
>
>Obama is a better speaker and that is about it.

Like I said, not even close.


> You certainly don't hav>an open mind about Obama.

Sure I do. I see his mistakes and am disappointed in some areas. I
just see some positives that you and the right just don't want to
admit. A lot of them aren't directly because of him, but on his watch
which is what he'll be judged by. I hear nothing from the far right
but negatives, and that's just not open minded.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:05:48 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>

Fuck off lamebrain.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:28:10 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:05:52 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>BobbyK wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You didn't read the links I provided. Here's a quote from
>>>> http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/
>>>> And this was last year.
>>>>
>>>> Critics of the law now say millions lost their health insurance. But
>>>> that?s misleading. Those individual market plans were discontinued,
>>>> but policyholders weren?t denied coverage. And the question is, how
>>>> many millions of insured Americans had plans canceled, and how does
>>>> that compare with the millions of uninsured Americans who gained
>>>> coverage under the law.
>>>> There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
>>>> policies canceled".
>>>
>>>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
>>
>> Are you trying to refute a 2014 fastcheck.org
>> article with a 2013 politifact.com article?
>
>Fact check is massaging the truth. The plans were cancelled,
> because they were not allowed under the new law.
>
>We now know this was the intent of the law. Well those of us who
> are paying attention and have been following Gruber know
> this.

We? You don't know shit except what you read in the far right wingnut
press.

>
>Ergo, people were not allowed the keep their insurance plans. The
> President lied.

>
>Fact check is not an unbiased source. This type of grey logic is
> common in their reporting.

Fuck off lamebrain. You aren't worth discussing logic.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:29:31 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote:

LOL. You believe this rag! That proves everything I ever thought
about you.

[MNMikeW]

Do you even know who Gruber is?

>>
>> Ergo, people were not allowed the keep their insurance plans. The
>> President lied.
>
>>
>> Fact check is not an unbiased source. This type of grey logic is
>> common in their reporting.
>
> Fuck off lamebrain. You aren't worth discussing logic.

Owned.

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol".
>>>
>>> I can't quote them, but you've said some very angry and personal
>>> things relating to his person.
>>
>> And yet, you can't quote them.
>
> No I can't.
>>>
>>>> Obama is certainly as inept as Bush was.
>>>
>>> Not even close, and if you had an open mind that would never have been
>>> said. I had Bush as a governor and a President and have met the man.
>>> IMO he's flaky, unpolished and doesn't speak well. Obama is none of
>>> those. You just don't like the man.
>>
>> Obama is a better speaker and that is about it.
> Like I said, not even close.

Your opinion.

>
>
>> You certainly don't hav>an open mind about Obama.
>
> Sure I do. I see his mistakes and am disappointed in some areas. I
> just see some positives that you and the right just don't want to
> admit. A lot of them aren't directly because of him, but on his watch
> which is what he'll be judged by. I hear nothing from the far right
> but negatives, and that's just not open minded.

What are some of these positives? I know he took credit for a lot of
things in the SOTU address.

[BobbyK]

MIT prof who disses Obamacare. Had to apologize for his over the
top remarks last year. Of course, I wasn't alluding to him as being
far right.

>>>
>>> Ergo, people were not allowed the keep their insurance plans. The
>>> President lied.
>>
>>>
>>> Fact check is not an unbiased source. This type of grey logic is
>>> common in their reporting.
>>
>> Fuck off lamebrain. You aren't worth discussing logic.
>
>Owned.

not a chance. I have some respect for your views, but none at all for
this asshole. He's an idiot.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:17:49 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

>BobbyK wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol".
>>>>
>>>> I can't quote them, but you've said some very angry and personal
>>>> things relating to his person.
>>>
>>> And yet, you can't quote them.
>>
>> No I can't.
>>>>
>>>>> Obama is certainly as inept as Bush was.
>>>>
>>>> Not even close, and if you had an open mind that would never have been
>>>> said. I had Bush as a governor and a President and have met the man.
>>>> IMO he's flaky, unpolished and doesn't speak well. Obama is none of
>>>> those. You just don't like the man.
>>>
>>> Obama is a better speaker and that is about it.
>> Like I said, not even close.
>Your opinion.
>>

And you have yours.

>>
>>> You certainly don't hav>an open mind about Obama.
>>
>> Sure I do. I see his mistakes and am disappointed in some areas. I
>> just see some positives that you and the right just don't want to
>> admit. A lot of them aren't directly because of him, but on his watch
>> which is what he'll be judged by. I hear nothing from the far right
>> but negatives, and that's just not open minded.
>
>What are some of these positives?

Showing that you don't have an open mind. Are you actually saying
that there are no positives in his two terms? You can't be serious.

> I know he took credit for a lot of things in the SOTU address.

LOL. Unlike any other President ever, right?

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

Ah the profanity of BK unable to refute the facts.

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:06:36 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

>>
>>Do you even know who Gruber is?
>
> MIT prof who disses Obamacare. Had to apologize for his over the
> top remarks last year. Of course, I wasn't alluding to him as being
> far right.

Actually no, but par for you.

>>>
>>> Fuck off lamebrain. You aren't worth discussing logic.
>>
>>Owned.
>
> not a chance. I have some respect for your views, but none at all for
> this asshole. He's an idiot.
>

--

[MNMikeW]

You don't believe the CBO? Perhaps this site is not as scary for you.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/012715-736559-cbo-says-obamacare-will-push-10-million-of-employer-plans.htm

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:28:19 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>

No, I just refute you and anything you say.

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:29:31 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>BK is suspect of anything to do with thinking.
>
> LOL. You believe this rag! That proves everything I ever thought
> about you.
>

It proves nothing. You simply want to change the subject.

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:

>>
>> Do you even know who Gruber is?
>
> MIT prof who disses Obamacare. Had to apologize for his over the
> top remarks last year. Of course, I wasn't alluding to him as being
> far right.

I didn't think you really knew. He didn't diss Obamacare at all.

[MNMikeW]

I didn't say that at all and you know it.You sure do like putting words
in peoples mouths. I'm asking YOU for what YOU think is a positive.

[BobbyK]

LOL. You didn't believe them when they were wrong earlier because it
was a positive for ACA...but now you believe what they "expect"
because it fits your politics. Wait to see what the actual outcome
is.

Oh, just how many people do you know who have actually lost their
insurance?

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:32:35 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

>BobbyK wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Do you even know who Gruber is?
>>
>> MIT prof who disses Obamacare. Had to apologize for his over the
>> top remarks last year. Of course, I wasn't alluding to him as being
>> far right.
>
>I didn't think you really knew. He didn't diss Obamacare at all.

You're really off your nut. Of course he did. Early on while helping
to write it he said it wouldn't be worthwhile or affordable and even
last year he had to apologize for saying insulting things about it.

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:28:19 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

>>>

>>> Fuck off lamebrain. You aren't worth discussing logic.
>>
>>Ah the profanity of BK unable to refute the facts.
>
> No, I just refute you and anything you say.

How mature.

[BobbyK]

I didn't put any words in your mouth. I asked a simple question and
you ducked it....are there no positives in Obama's two terms? That's
simple enough and not assuming anything.

[Alan Baker]

Noted for your future replies...

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:47:24 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>

wrote:

>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:28:19 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off lamebrain. You aren't worth discussing logic.
>>>
>>>Ah the profanity of BK unable to refute the facts.
>>
>> No, I just refute you and anything you say.
>
>How mature.

Extremely mature. Why should have anything to do with someone that I
consider to be trash?

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:32:35 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> BobbyK wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you even know who Gruber is?
>>>
>>> MIT prof who disses Obamacare. Had to apologize for his over the
>>> top remarks last year. Of course, I wasn't alluding to him as being
>>> far right.
>>
>> I didn't think you really knew. He didn't diss Obamacare at all.
>
> You're really off your nut. Of course he did. Early on while helping
> to write it he said it wouldn't be worthwhile or affordable and even
> last year he had to apologize for saying insulting things about it.

You are the one off your nut. he apologized. But not for that.

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:

>>>>
>>>> What are some of these positives?
>>> Showing that you don't have an open mind. Are you actually saying
>>> that there are no positives in his two terms? You can't be serious.
>>
>> I didn't say that at all and you know it.You sure do like putting words
>> in peoples mouths. I'm asking YOU for what YOU think is a positive.
>
> I didn't put any words in your mouth. I asked a simple question and
> you ducked it....are there no positives in Obama's two terms? That's
> simple enough and not assuming anything.

Jesus Christ you are dense. I asked YOU a simple question, and YOU
ducked it. Again, what are some of these positives?

[MNMikeW]

Cite. What were they wrong about? See if you can actually backup your
bullshit.

>
> Oh, just how many people do you know who have actually lost their
> insurance?

What exactly does that have to do with anything? I will probably lose
mine in the next go around.

[BobbyK]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/09/jonathan-gruber-on-hot-seat-heading-into-hearing/

[BobbyK]

The Economy
Ending the Iraq war
Ending the war in Afghanistan
Healthcare

Now I expect you to say that none of the above were accomplishments,
just like ridding of Osama Ben Laden.

Now. Tell me what you think have been positives in the last six
years.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:06:11 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

>BobbyK wrote:

>>> You don't believe the CBO? Perhaps this site is not as scary for
>>> you.
>>>
>>> http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/012715-736559-cbo-says-obamacare-will-push-10-million-of-employer-plans.htm
>>>
>>
>>>
>LOL. You didn't believe them when they were wrong earlier because it
>> was a positive for ACA...but now you believe what they "expect"
>> because it fits your politics. Wait to see what the actual outcome
>> is.
>
>Cite. What were they wrong about? See if you can actually backup your
>bullshit.

Come on Mike. The CBO first said that ACA would be a positive and
projected good numbers. How can you call that bullshit? Do I have to
go back and find that? Surely you remember it.

>
>>
>> Oh, just how many people do you know who have actually lost their
>> insurance?
>
>What exactly does that have to do with anything? I will probably lose
>mine in the next go around.

Who is your carrier? If it's Aetna probably so. They raised my
Medicare supplement double so I went to United. Everything bad in
health insurance can't be blamed on ACA, but it's become a good
scapegoat for some.

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:06:11 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> BobbyK wrote:
>
>>>> You don't believe the CBO? Perhaps this site is not as scary for
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/012715-736559-cbo-says-obamacare-will-push-10-million-of-employer-plans.htm
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>> LOL. You didn't believe them when they were wrong earlier because it
>>> was a positive for ACA...but now you believe what they "expect"
>>> because it fits your politics. Wait to see what the actual outcome
>>> is.
>>
>> Cite. What were they wrong about? See if you can actually backup your
>> bullshit.
>
> Come on Mike. The CBO first said that ACA would be a positive and
> projected good numbers. How can you call that bullshit? Do I have to
> go back and find that? Surely you remember it.

Numbers about what exactly? The CBO also predicted early on that MORE
people would get employer coverage. Not the case is seems now.

>>
>>>
>>> Oh, just how many people do you know who have actually lost their
>>> insurance?
>>
>> What exactly does that have to do with anything? I will probably lose
>> mine in the next go around.
>
> Who is your carrier? If it's Aetna probably so. They raised my
> Medicare supplement double so I went to United. Everything bad in
> health insurance can't be blamed on ACA, but it's become a good
> scapegoat for some.

Cigna/Healthpartners.

[MNMikeW]

Getting rid of Osama is one. Healthcare is yet to be seen. Economy is
slowly improving.Just don't look at the debt. I think ending the wars is
a good thing, though I think it could have been handled better.

[BobbyK]

Those are basic agreements which could be ameliorated somewhat by
either of us. That's something that should be tried by Congress.

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:58:36 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>BobbyK wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You're really off your nut. Of course he did. Early on while helping
>>> to write it he said it wouldn't be worthwhile or affordable and even
>>> last year he had to apologize for saying insulting things about it.

It is not worthwhile or affordable. What got him in trouble was
calling voters stupid and promoting Obamacare as something other
than worthwhile and affordable.

>>You are the one off your nut. he apologized. But not for that.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/09/jonathan-gruber-on-hot-seat-heading-into-hearing/

I love when you post a cite that refutes your claim. You have no
idea what role Gruber played in Obamacare.

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:47:24 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

>>>

>>> No, I just refute you and anything you say.
>>
>>How mature.
>
> Extremely mature. Why should have anything to do with someone that I
> consider to be trash?

You interact with me all the time. Nobody forces you to even read
my posts.

You can't help yourself, Pinocchio.

--

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

The slowest economic recovery in history.

We are sending troops back into Iraq.

Obama voted against the surge, which turned the tide in Afghanistan.

We had healthcare. Now it is just more expensive.

0 for 4

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:07:51 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>

wrote:

>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:47:24 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>> No, I just refute you and anything you say.
>>>
>>>How mature.
>>
>> Extremely mature. Why should have anything to do with someone that I
>> consider to be trash?
>
>You interact with me all the time. Nobody forces you to even read
> my posts.
>

I'm just amazed and amused at your hypocrisy and simple minded
thinking. Add your unwarranted ego and it's absolutely stunning.

[Alan Baker]

On 2015-01-30 00:13:10 +0000, Moderate said:

> BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:02:08 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jesus Christ you are dense. I asked YOU a simple question, and YOU
>>> ducked it. Again, what are some of these positives?
>>
>> The Economy
>> Ending the Iraq war
>> Ending the war in Afghanistan
>> Healthcare
>>
>> Now I expect you to say that none of the above were accomplishments,
>> just like ridding of Osama Ben Laden.
>>
>> Now. Tell me what you think have been positives in the last six
>> years.
>
> The slowest economic recovery in history.

But you admit it's been a recovery.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:13:10 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:02:08 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Jesus Christ you are dense. I asked YOU a simple question, and YOU
>>>ducked it. Again, what are some of these positives?
>>
>> The Economy
>> Ending the Iraq war
>> Ending the war in Afghanistan
>> Healthcare
>>
>> Now I expect you to say that none of the above were accomplishments,
>> just like ridding of Osama Ben Laden.
>>
>> Now. Tell me what you think have been positives in the last six
>> years.
>
>The slowest economic recovery in history.

From the worst in history.

>
>We are sending troops back into Iraq.

We aren't at war.

>
>Obama voted against the surge, which turned the tide in Afghanistan.

We aren't at war.

>
>We had healthcare. Now it is just more expensive.

Idiots like you thought that Mitt Romney's healthcare was wonderful
until Obama used that basis for ACA. That's what I mean by hypocrisy.
>
>0 for 4
Yes you are. Mike disagrees with you.

[Carbon]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:12:18 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
> BobbyK wrote:
>>
>>> You rarely ever post links to back up your claims, just whine and
>>> complain. You need to look in the mirror when you make your haters
>>> hate quip.
>>
>> No I don't. There's no hatred here. I didn't like our last
>> president's politics but know that he's a good person, just inept. The
>> vitriol that you post about Obama represents more than political
>> dislike.
>
> Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol". Obama is certainly

> as inept as Bush was.

You're on drugs.

Obama:

President of the Harvard Law Review, graduated Magna Cum Laude.

Bush:

Tsurumi—now a professor of international business at Baruch College in the
City University of New York—said he remembers the future president as
scoring in the bottom 10 percent of students in the class.

“[George W. Bush] didn’t stand out as the most promising student, but...he
made it sure we understood how well he was connected,” Tsurumi said. “He
wasn’t bashful about how he was being pushed upward by Dad’s connections.”

Tsurumi said that the younger Bush boasted that his father’s political
string-pulling had gotten him to the top of the waiting list for the Texas
National Guard instead of serving in Vietnam.

http://goo.gl/tnYbia

[Moderate]

BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:07:51 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
> wrote:

>>
>>You interact with me all the time. Nobody forces you to even read
>> my posts.
>>
> I'm just amazed and amused at your hypocrisy and simple minded
> thinking. Add your unwarranted ego and it's absolutely stunning.

You are the one with the unwarranted ego. I play you like a
puppet. You are an easy mark.

--

[Moderate]

Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:

> On 2015-01-30 00:13:10 +0000, Moderate said:

>>
>> The slowest economic recovery in history.
>
> But you admit it's been a recovery.

A recovery in spite of Obama, not because of him. List one thing
Obama did that lead to economic recovery.

He doubled the debt.

--

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:28:44 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>

wrote:

>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:07:51 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>You interact with me all the time. Nobody forces you to even read
>>> my posts.
>>>
>> I'm just amazed and amused at your hypocrisy and simple minded
>> thinking. Add your unwarranted ego and it's absolutely stunning.
>
>You are the one with the unwarranted ego. I play you like a
> puppet. You are an easy mark.

You don't have the brain power to play anyone, and thinking so just
makes you look silly. You're the obsequious dupe here.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:30:55 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote this crap:

>Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:
>>
>>

>> Last week, Fox did something Fox almost never does. It apologized.
>> Indeed, it apologized profusely, multiple times, on air.
>>
>> The most important takeaway here is not the admittedly startling news
>> that Fox, contrary to all indications, is capable of shame. Rather, it
>> is what the European response tells us about ourselves and our waning
>> capacity for moral indignation with this sort of garbage.'
>>
>>
>
>Obama said we could keep our insurance. He said he would lower
> healthcare costs by $2,500 per family. He promised
> transparency...

Obumma also promised to close Gitmo within 6 months of him taking
office.


This signature is now the ultimate
power in the universe

[Alan Baker]

No, actually.

Objectively, measurably, the debt has not doubled.

[BobbyK]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:30:29 -0500, Horva...@net.net wrote:

>Obama also promised to close Gitmo within 6 months of him taking
>office.
>
Are you disappointed? Congress has seen to it that he hasn't been
able to do it. He's tried over and over.

[Moderate]

You are misinformed.


--

[Alan Baker]

On 2015-01-30 02:52:50 +0000, Moderate said:

> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:
>> On 2015-01-30 01:33:48 +0000, Moderate said:
>>
>>> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:
>>>> On 2015-01-30 00:13:10 +0000, Moderate said:
>>>>>
>>>>> The slowest economic recovery in history.
>>>>
>>>> But you admit it's been a recovery.
>>>
>>> A recovery in spite of Obama, not because of him. List one thing
>>> Obama did that lead to economic recovery.
>>>
>>> He doubled the debt.
>>
>> No, actually.
>>
>> Objectively, measurably, the debt has not doubled.
>>
>
> You are misinformed.

Then produce your figures...

...and sources.

Here are mine:

<http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/spending_chart_2007_2014USr_16s2li111mcn_H0t>

The debt in 2008 was $12.55 trillion and in 2014 it's $20.88 trillion.

[Don Kirkman]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:33:48 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote:

ISTM there was a recent newspaper article about the *deficit* being at
historic low level. Sort of counters focusing on debt.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

[MNMikeW]

Hardly historic. A low for Obama. Though that comes to a crashing end
next year.

[MNMikeW]

Moderate wrote:

>>> He doubled the debt.
>>
>> No, actually.
>>
>> Objectively, measurably, the debt has not doubled.
>>
>
> You are misinformed.
>
>

It hasn't doubled. But close. Obama is the king of debt as well.

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:13:10 -0600 (CST), Moderate<nom...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> BobbyK<bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:02:08 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jesus Christ you are dense. I asked YOU a simple question, and YOU
>>>> ducked it. Again, what are some of these positives?
>>>
>>> The Economy
>>> Ending the Iraq war
>>> Ending the war in Afghanistan
>>> Healthcare
>>>
>>> Now I expect you to say that none of the above were accomplishments,
>>> just like ridding of Osama Ben Laden.
>>>
>>> Now. Tell me what you think have been positives in the last six
>>> years.
>>
>> The slowest economic recovery in history.
>
> From the worst in history.
>>
>> We are sending troops back into Iraq.
> We aren't at war.
>>
>> Obama voted against the surge, which turned the tide in Afghanistan.
>
> We aren't at war.

Not until congress grants Obama war powers against ISIS.

>>
>> We had healthcare. Now it is just more expensive.
>
> Idiots like you thought that Mitt Romney's healthcare was wonderful
> until Obama used that basis for ACA. That's what I mean by hypocrisy.

Name one.

>>
>> 0 for 4
> Yes you are. Mike disagrees with you.

Mods statements were correct.

[MNMikeW]

B-b-b-b-but Bush. The supposed Harvard constitutional "professor" seems
to have forgot everything he was taught.

[BobbyK]

LOL. You agreed with me on most of those areas yesterday, and Mod's
statements are correct? I was pleased that we were in somewhat of an
accord. Which is the lie Mike? I know....you'll dance around it now.
Shameful.

[BobbyK]

Supposed? The Harvard Crimson states his professorship specifically.
What is it that he's supposed to have forgot [sic]? He shows a very
good memory of a poor business student.

[MNMikeW]

BobbyK wrote:

>>>> 0 for 4
>>> Yes you are. Mike disagrees with you.
>>
>> Mods statements were correct.
>
> LOL. You agreed with me on most of those areas yesterday, and Mod's
> statements are correct? I was pleased that we were in somewhat of an
> accord. Which is the lie Mike? I know....you'll dance around it now.
> Shameful.

You're confused. Again.

[BobbyK]

Here's what was said yesterday:

>>>Again, what are some of these positives?
>>
>> The Economy
>> Ending the Iraq war
>> Ending the war in Afghanistan
>> Healthcare
>>
>> Now I expect you to say that none of the above were accomplishments,
>> just like ridding of Osama Ben Laden.
>>
>> Now. Tell me what you think have been positives in the last six
>> years.
>

>>Getting rid of Osama is one. Healthcare is yet to be seen. Economy is
>>slowly improving.Just don't look at the debt. I think ending the wars is
>>a good thing, though I think it could have been handled better.

>Those are basic agreements which could be ameliorated somewhat by
>either of us. That's something that should be tried by Congress.

I'm not confused, but nice crawfishing.

[Alan Baker]

A huge recession is responsible for that debt.

[Moderate]

Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:

> On 2015-01-30 14:55:37 +0000, MNMikeW said:
>
>> It hasn't doubled. But close. Obama is the king of debt as well.
>
> A huge recession is responsible for that debt.
>
>

http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/106-obama-ha
s-more-doubled-marketable-us-debt

The recession ended within six months of Obama taking office. The
economy was growing when Bush left office.
--

[Alan Baker]

On 2015-01-30 18:35:04 +0000, Moderate said:

> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:
>> On 2015-01-30 14:55:37 +0000, MNMikeW said:
>>
>>> It hasn't doubled. But close. Obama is the king of debt as well.
>>
>> A huge recession is responsible for that debt.
>>
>>
>
> http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/106-obama-ha
> s-more-doubled-marketable-us-debt

In your own words, what is "marketable debt" and do you not realize
that just the existence of such a qualifier means that the writer
cannot say the same thing about all the debt?

>
> The recession ended within six months of Obama taking office. The
> economy was growing when Bush left office.

Do you not realize that those two statements are in conflict?

Do you not understand that borrowed money to deal with the recession
has a lasting effect on debt?

[John B.]

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 5:17:51 PM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:

> BobbyK wrote:
>
> >>>>
> >>>> Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol".
> >>>

> >>> I can't quote them, but you've said some very angry and personal
> >>> things relating to his person.
> >>
> >> And yet, you can't quote them.
> >
> > No I can't.

> >>>
> >>>> Obama is certainly as inept as Bush was.
> >>>

> >>> Not even close, and if you had an open mind that would never have been
> >>> said. I had Bush as a governor and a President and have met the man.
> >>> IMO he's flaky, unpolished and doesn't speak well. Obama is none of
> >>> those. You just don't like the man.
> >>
> >> Obama is a better speaker and that is about it.
> > Like I said, not even close.
> Your opinion.
> >
> >
> >> You certainly don't hav>an open mind about Obama.
> >
> > Sure I do. I see his mistakes and am disappointed in some areas. I
> > just see some positives that you and the right just don't want to
> > admit. A lot of them aren't directly because of him, but on his watch
> > which is what he'll be judged by. I hear nothing from the far right
> > but negatives, and that's just not open minded.
>
> What are some of these positives? I know he took credit for a lot of
> things in the SOTU address.

Are you saying you know of nothing good that Obama has accomplished?

[MNMikeW]

So what lie are you asking about then? And speaking of the economy...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stocks-gdp-jitters-knock-futures-into-red-2015-01-30?siteid=rss&rss=1

Our debt is now 102% of GDP.

[Alan Baker]

Yes.

A massive recession created by deregulating the financial industry and
letting a lot of the very rich get richer and then bailing them out
(and not the little folks who lost their homes)...

...will do that.

[John B.]

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 6:06:14 PM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:
> BobbyK wrote:

> > On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:30:32 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> BobbyK wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:29:31 -0600 (CST),

> >>> Moderate<nom...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> BobbyK<bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:10:05 -0600,
> >>>>> MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> And another thing. The cancellations are far from over.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/
> ten_times_more_americans_than_first_estimated_will_lose_employerbased_health_insurance_under_obamacare_cbo.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> You have to be kidding. Do you actually read and believe shit rags
> >>>>> like this? Check this below.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Thinker
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> BK is suspect of anything to do with thinking.
> >>>
> >>> LOL. You believe this rag! That proves everything I ever
> >>> thought about you.
> >>
> >> You don't believe the CBO? Perhaps this site is not as scary for
> >> you.
> >>
> >> http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/012715-736559-cbo-says-obamacare-will-push-10-million-of-employer-plans.htm
> >>
> >
> >>
> LOL. You didn't believe them when they were wrong earlier because it
> > was a positive for ACA...but now you believe what they "expect"
> > because it fits your politics. Wait to see what the actual outcome
> > is.
>
> Cite. What were they wrong about? See if you can actually backup your
> bullshit.
>
> >
> > Oh, just how many people do you know who have actually lost their
> > insurance?
>
> What exactly does that have to do with anything? I will probably lose
> mine in the next go around.

Somebody should start taking note of your predictions. Has anything
you've ever predicted actually happened?

[John B.]

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 7:13:13 PM UTC-5, Moderate wrote:
> BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:

> > On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:02:08 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Jesus Christ you are dense. I asked YOU a simple question, and YOU

> >>ducked it. Again, what are some of these positives?

> >
> > The Economy
> > Ending the Iraq war
> > Ending the war in Afghanistan
> > Healthcare
> >
> > Now I expect you to say that none of the above were accomplishments,
> > just like ridding of Osama Ben Laden.
> >
> > Now. Tell me what you think have been positives in the last six
> > years.
>

> The slowest economic recovery in history.
>

> We are sending troops back into Iraq.
>

> Obama voted against the surge, which turned the tide in Afghanistan.
>

> We had healthcare. Now it is just more expensive.
>

> 0 for 4

This is not the slowest economic recovery in history.

We are sending troops back into Iraq because it's a failed
state that ISIS is trying to take over. What would you do,
just ignore it?

The surge you refer to was in Iraq, not Afghanistan and
Obama was a senator then. If you look at Iraq today, you
can't conclude that the surge was worthwhile.

Maybe you had health care, but 45m people didn't. That
number has been reduced by more than 10m. And it is not
more expensive.

[John B.]

He deployed the stimulus package and he saved the auto
industry from bankruptcy. Those two things combined kept
the U.S. out of a depression. The deficit today is lower
than it was when Obama took office. The president has
very little control over the national debt.

It's amusing to see you pontificate on subjects you know
nothing about.

[John B.]

No they weren't. They never are.

[Alan Baker]

And doubling-down on his stupidity every chance he gets.

[John B.]

Are you saying the economy went into recession and came out of it
in 2009?

[MNMikeW]

John B. wrote:

>>
>> What exactly does that have to do with anything? I will probably lose
>> mine in the next go around.
>
> Somebody should start taking note of your predictions. Has anything
> you've ever predicted actually happened?

Packers lost. :-)

[MNMikeW]

We didn't save the auto industry from bankruptcy, we funded it.